00:39 <@wca> Mavvie: you actually think we're going to have XFree86 4.4 in ports?
00:40 <@wca> Mavvie: didn't you notice anholt importing XFree86 bits from freedesktop.org 2 months ago?
00:42 <@Mavvie> wca: why not? there is more restrictive software in it.
00:43 <@sheepkill> <question level="stupid"> and what is our "official public policy concerning XFree86" ? :)</question>
00:43 <@wca> Mavvie: sure, but it's going to cause problems if anholt switches over to freedesktop.org's X
00:43 <@wca> sheepkill: that has yet to be determined
00:44 <@Mavvie> absolutely. but then it won't be in x11/XFree86-4 but in x11/FreeDesktop or something.
00:44 <@wca> Mavvie: you clearly weren't paying attention :-)
00:44 <@wca> in any case, let's assume someone actually wants to bring in X 4.4 to ports
00:44 <@wca> what are we going to do about the conflict between X 4.4 and fd.o's X?
00:45 <@wca> :-\
00:46 <@sheepkill> it's a mess and anholt is not here... ahahah, funny ;-)
00:46 <@wca> yep
00:46 <@wca> that's just going to make it worse :-\
00:47 <@sheepkill> btw, XFree-4.4 is out and we gonna receive a lot of "hey guy, Xfree 4.4 is out!" mails 
00:47 <@wca> it just goes to show that we need to push the notion of optional dependencies into pkg_*
00:47 <@wca> wtf!?!?!
00:47 <@motminh> wca:  what's the conflict between  X 4.4 and fd.o's X?
00:47 <@wca> Shit, 4.4's out already?
00:47 <@sheepkill> wca: as far I understood, yes ;)
00:48 <@wca> motminh: they both install libXext, libX11, libXau, libXt, libXrender, libXv, etc. etc.
00:48 <@wca> sheepkill: Damn, we're screwed :-]
00:49 <@wca> perhaps i'm reacting prematurely, as fd.o's X isn't release quality yet...
00:50 <@wca> but it is going to be a problem because there will no doubt be users who want fd.o's X instead of XFree86's...
00:50 <@sheepkill> and anholt is AFK until 4.10 is out ;)
00:50 <@wca> :)
00:51 <@sheepkill> do we have a spare X11 guru ?
00:51 <@motminh> wca:  so?
00:52 <@motminh> wca:  we have several ports that have the same names.  People can install the one they want.
00:52 <@motminh> wca:  is there some reason (such as lib API divergance) that we can't just give the user the choice?
00:52 <@wca> motminh: the ports install the binaries in nonstandard ways to get around the namespace problem.
00:52 <@motminh> wca:  what non-standard ways?
00:53 <@wca> like renaming the binaries :)
00:53 <@motminh> wca:  can you give an example?
00:53 <@wca> autoconf257, automake17
00:53 <@motminh> wca:  we're not talking about autoconf and automake; we're talking X11.
00:54 <@wca> well, the fd.o ports do conflict with XFree86's right now...
00:55 <@wca> how are we going to account for the user's desire in packages?  All the X stuff depend on XFree86-4-libraries at least.
00:55 <@wca> the way i see it, it means we need dependencies that can be satisfied by one of several choices